Recap · December 31, 2025 · 1:08:53
Cupsey & Jack Duval on Memecoins, Crypto's Future, and More | TG Podcast
The Signal
Cupsey and Jack Duval argue that memecoins are not dead so much as trapped inside a shrinking Crypto Twitter pool. Their prescription is less about inventing another coin and more about platforms behaving like billion-dollar companies: fix hostile onboarding, build mainstream distribution, gate extractive creator incentives and give new users a first experience that lasts longer than 30 seconds.
Key Takeaways
- 01
The first trade loses the customer
Prediction markets offer familiar sports and politics contracts; a newcomer to Pump.fun sees an overwhelming feed and often buys a token that immediately collapses. The onboarding gap compounds the liquidity gap.
- 02
Virality now stops at CT
The 67 trend could reach huge cultural mindshare yet stall around 12,000 holders. Without buyers beyond the existing crypto audience, even a Trump post would produce a short spike rather than sustained expansion.
- 03
Platforms have not tried at scale
Jack points to absent media relationships, limited press, ineligible YouTube promotion and anonymous meme-native company accounts. Cupsey's simpler complaint is that no coordinated attempt has been visible.
- 04
Creator fees reward the wrong behavior
Cheap deployment and fees on tiny tops make serial launches nearly riskless for developers. The guests propose deployment costs or gated fee eligibility to reward builders who create a real market.
- 05
Not trading is still a position
Threadguy pushes back on forcing action in dead conditions. His style is to wait for rare high-quality setups across markets, while Cupsey and Jack describe how inactivity can also deepen the onchain volume spiral.
On the Record
“The space is so small and despite what everyone in CT tries to tell me and think like nobody knows about this space.”
“The game is evolving.”
“Not trading is also a trade”
“If you're a leading platform in this space, you need to act like the billion-dollar company that you are.”
The Breakdown
Why prediction markets onboard better
Threadguy contrasts a recognizable Polymarket contract with the visual chaos of a memecoin terminal. A sports fan can understand the wager and remain engaged after losing; a first-time Pump.fun buyer may be dumped on immediately. Deep-nine-figure platforms, he argues, missed the window to spend seriously on bringing new people in.
A viral meme with nowhere to expand
Jack says coins naturally reflect their participants: broad retail produced legible culture coins, while today's crypto-native base produces obscure AI and insider references. The 67 coin becomes the case study. It followed a huge trend but stayed near 12,000 holders because promotion and distribution never escaped CT.
Fortnite players got too good
Cupsey compares modern memecoin trading to late-stage Fortnite: beginners once learned together, but now experts arrive with multiple wallets and enormous speed. That does not make the game permanently solved, but it raises the cost of entry. Without deliberate changes, every remaining player optimizes against the same small pool.
Run like a company, not a Discord
Jack's criticism extends beyond advertising. Platform founders lack public presence, relationships with social networks and certification that would let creators promote them on YouTube. Prediction and sports-betting companies built those channels. Memecoin firms with billion-dollar economics still communicate like niche trading groups.
Fix the developer's one-way bet
The guests describe a meta where launching repeated low-cap coins is safer than buying them. Cheap deployment plus creator fees lets a developer profit on a $30,000 top with limited risk. Suggested fixes include a meaningful launch cost and approval or performance thresholds before creator fees accrue.
Volume is both cause and effect
Bad conditions drive traders away, which makes conditions worse; one strong catalyst can reverse the loop and create billions in daily volume. Jack believes a sustained platform push could start that flywheel, while Threadguy is less sure marketing can overcome missing flows. They agree on the immediate action: somebody with resources needs to try.
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